|Re: Salvation...Your will or Gods||Reply|
While I do not argue the idea that, Adam and Eve had free will, as stated in Gen 2:16. Adam not Eve (Gen 2:15-18) was told not to eat, and Adam allowed Eve in an act of passivity to eat and then followed her lead instead of being the leader he was created to be, but I digress.
(Totally on a side note and probably another thread all together but Eve said to the serpent that God said not to touch (Gen 3:3) or eat of the fruit but God only said not to eat, (Gen 2:16-17) so was eating the fruit the first sin or was her lie? Did she lie or did Adam lie to her? Like I said entirely another discussion)
Once the act of disobedience was complete, “spiritual death” was immediate (Gen 2:17) and Adam gave himself and us, freely into slavery.
As we define “Slavery” we see Merriam Webster says “submission to a dominating influence” and “Submission” is defined ” an act of submitting to the authority or control of another” and “Dominating” as “to exert the supreme determining or guiding influence on”
Looking at the “1689 London Baptist Confession”, we see in Chapter 9 “Of Free Will”
That “Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man, being altogether averse from that good, and dead in sin, is not able by his own strength to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto.”
( Romans 5:6; Romans 8:7; Ephesians 2:1, 5; Titus 3:3-5; John 6:44 )
God gave us (Adam and Eve only) free will that fact I do not deny, however death robbed us (All of humanity) of the “goodness” portion. We have herd is said and know it to be fact that Light casts out darkness, but in the instance of Adam, his sin cast out the light to give way to darkness, for us to have light we must go to the source which is Christ. However, we also see in scripture that we cannot go unless called to, so therefore in darkness we have no will to go to the light unless drawn. Romans 8:30, 2Thessalonians 2:13-14, John 15:16, John 10:29, John 6:37, Matthew 22:14, John 6:44-65 . In answer to your last point, it would appear that free will was first given, then lost, so for the totality of mans free will to be regained one must be saved.
So , this point to whomever, if a man is truly saved could he loose his salvation, or could he turn from it and give himself back into the hands of the enemy, or lastly was he ever saved to begin with, if either of the a for mentioned ever happened?
As a side note, I know that several have been reading this debate please, do not refrain, and feel free to join our discussion.
Just for the sake of who’s who, I am not a theologian nor am I a preacher, I have been called to the ministry, and I am working my way to school, so this is one of the ways that I am preparing while I am waiting to get my house sold and get moved. I understand that some of you reading this have already been where I am going and I would love to hear your thoughts, as the only way to truth is through stripping away the falsehood just like the only way to get to the banana is to remove the peel.
God bless this discussion as we seek His Heart and His Truth, so we may proclaim His Word to a lost and sinful world.
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